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Calling Perl people! [Jul. 26th, 2007|03:47 pm]
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Perl people! Please fill out Skud's Perl survey!

Non-Perl people! Please tell your geek friends about it!
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[User Picture]From: pseudomonas
2007-07-26 03:04 pm (UTC)
Done :)
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[User Picture]From: nou
2007-07-26 03:16 pm (UTC)
Thank you!
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[User Picture]From: diffrentcolours
2007-07-26 03:05 pm (UTC)
Wah, I couldn't think of any good suggestions / comments until after I'd submitted the form.

(mostly stuff about which of Perlmonks / pm.org / use.perl.org people had heard of before the survey, and what frameworks like Catalyst or Test::* they use)
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[User Picture]From: nou
2007-07-26 03:14 pm (UTC)
You could email your suggestions and comments to info@perlsurvey.org

Thanks for perpetrating the link! With any luck, the data will be useful in all sorts of ways.
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[User Picture]From: pseudomonas
2007-07-26 03:16 pm (UTC)
List of frequently-used major modules in general, now you mention it.
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[User Picture]From: diffrentcolours
2007-07-26 03:36 pm (UTC)
Yeah. I'm often amazed at people who are using Perl 5.8 to write 4.x-era Perl, and not taking advantage of frameworks and modules that will make their lives easier. I haven't been involved with Perl Mongers or anything similar for years and I still get to hear about stuff like Catalyst.
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[User Picture]From: diffrentcolours
2007-07-26 04:31 pm (UTC)
Oh, also: where did you hear about this survey. Would be interesting to see who picks it up from PM groups, LUGs, IRC channels etc.
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[User Picture]From: alexmc
2007-07-26 03:06 pm (UTC)
Who is Skud and why should we?

(I have done it myself but I'd like to know before asking other people to)
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[User Picture]From: nou
2007-07-26 03:16 pm (UTC)
Skud is the person behind http://infotrope.net/

Does the FAQ answer your question about why?
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[User Picture]From: alexmc
2007-07-26 03:22 pm (UTC)
Sorry - I found the FAQ and read it after asking my question.
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[User Picture]From: nou
2007-07-26 03:24 pm (UTC)
No problem — happens to us all!
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[User Picture]From: pozorvlak
2007-07-26 03:32 pm (UTC)
My vanity is wounded by their asking which languages you're fluent in, rather than which you've used - the last time I wrote some C, for instance, I spent a fair bit of time in man pages reminding myself of bits of syntax, so I don't think I should count as fluent. TBH, I'm dubious about counting myself as fluent in Perl.
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[User Picture]From: nou
2007-07-26 03:37 pm (UTC)
Yes; I left a few out for a similar reason. Though this does remind me that I sometimes have trouble switching between "else if", "elsif" and "elif" languages, and have to look it up, even when it comes to ones I'm fluent in. I'm now wondering if there's an equivalent for, er, language languages, what's-the-word, non-programming languages.
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[User Picture]From: pozorvlak
2007-07-26 03:58 pm (UTC)
What, of "else if"? I think that kind of confusion probably only occurs with languages that are close together. Though I did once have the bizarre experience of being able to remember the word for "flower shop" in Czech but not in English... Or do you mean "languages that you could become fluent in given minimal study"?

I found the language-fluency question a bit depressing, because I had to leave out almost every language I've ever learned!
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[User Picture]From: nou
2007-07-26 05:27 pm (UTC)
Yes, I did mean the "else if" thing. I suppose there's the "false friends" thing, though it's not quite the same; in fact, it's rather the opposite.
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[User Picture]From: susannahf
2007-07-26 04:01 pm (UTC)
Yes. I filled it in, and then realised I probably don't count as being fluent in Perl. I interpreted "fluent" in this case to mean "have been fluent in at some point and could become fluent in again at short notice". Which still doesn't give me a clear answer in the case of Perl.
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[User Picture]From: pozorvlak
2007-07-26 05:25 pm (UTC)
I don't think they're worried about fluency in Perl: in fact, they say "Doesn't matter whether you're a pumpking or just tweaking your first CGI script".

The thing is, no matter how fluent your Perl programming, there's always going to be more to learn...
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[User Picture]From: perlmonger
2007-07-27 01:24 pm (UTC)
WYS, though I would've had to include COBOL and FORTRAN if all languages I've ever used in anger were included.
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[User Picture]From: dogrando
2007-07-26 03:54 pm (UTC)
Done. Oddly, I have just completed my first significant for-money perl project...
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[User Picture]From: nou
2007-07-26 05:29 pm (UTC)
Thank you!

I wonder if I'll ever get paid for writing Perl again. Which reminds me, I need to put in an invoice in order to get paid for writing about Perl.
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[User Picture]From: j4
2007-07-26 04:24 pm (UTC)
I have forwarded it to the OUCS discussion list and the Oxford IT Support Staff discussion list. I will even fill it in myself since it does say you don't have to have done very much Perl. 8-)
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[User Picture]From: nou
2007-07-26 05:30 pm (UTC)
Thank you!

Hopefully it should make it to bofhnet soon, if it hasn't already, since it now has multiple paths.
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[User Picture]From: mstevens
2007-07-26 08:43 pm (UTC)
Am I still a perl person?
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[User Picture]From: nou
2007-07-27 06:13 am (UTC)
Yes.
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[User Picture]From: mstevens
2007-07-27 07:51 pm (UTC)
I decided not to fill it in in the end, after reading they were going to release all the data.
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[User Picture]From: wechsler
2007-07-26 10:20 pm (UTC)
There *are* non-perl geeks, y'know...
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[User Picture]From: nou
2007-07-27 06:14 am (UTC)
I know! I was just trying to make it a bit more targeted than "tell all your friends", and working on the assumption that a geek is more likely than a non-geek to know other Perl people.
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[User Picture]From: pozorvlak
2007-07-27 10:20 am (UTC)
The poor deprived sods...
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