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A-Z walk, the second. [Oct. 10th, 2007|01:28 am]
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Page 22 column B (Oakwood Station) to page 23 column K (Enfield Town Station).

Did my second A-Z walk yesterday. The first one ended at Oakwood Station, which is reasonably convenient for me to get to, so that's where I started the second.

My original plan was to head pretty much straight across to Ponders End Station via a few pubs; but once I'd made a little Google map to help me figure out the route, I decided it would be silly to go all the way up there and not take the opportunity to wander around Trent Park. So I did. I got a bit lost, several times, due to entering the park slightly to the west of where I'd intended to, and to thinking that the line between Oakwood and Cockfosters points north, which it blatantly doesn't, and I knew it doesn't because I walked parallel to it the other week, sigh. But it wasn't particularly serious getting-lost, and I'm fairly sure I knew exactly where I was about half of the time. So far, so fun. (Squirrel count: approximately 15, all grey.)

Not wanting to have to retrace my footsteps at any point, or go in too obvious a circle, I'd decided that the best route would be straight up through the park, circle around the university campus, head up to Hadley Road, and then get back down to Enfield Road (and the Jolly Farmers pub for lunch) via this track marked here on streetmap. Now, my A-Z only marks the first and last thirds of this track, but streetmap definitely implies there's a way through. Still, when I got to Vicarage Farm there was no sign of footpath markings, and enquiry at the farm revealed only that there was "probably a way through to Oakwood down there, I think that's the way the police go, yes, just climb over that little fence".

Over the little fence was a field of uncut grass, with vague signs of previous pedestrians heading south; so I followed them. I quickly arrived at a tarmac track which led south ahead of me, but which obviously led back up to the farm in the other direction. At this point I realised that the people at the farm had probably misunderstood the direction I wanted to go in, since otherwise why would they have diverted me over the fence and through the grass? But I decided to press on and see where the track went.

It went on for a little way, then petered out, leaving me halfway along the edge of a field. I didn't really have much option other than to carry on walking along the sides of the fields in the same direction. I think I might have been trespassing at this point, though it could be argued that the people I'd spoken to earlier had given me permission. I'm quite sure I wasn't on a footpath, especially since I had to climb over a locked gate at the other end, when I finally did reach Enfield Road.

Although the main pub I wanted to visit was the Wonder, since it has an RGL entry by merit of being in the Good Beer Guide, it doesn't do food. Happily, Beer in the Evening came to the rescue, with the Jolly Farmers. A nice enough pub, decent food, real ale, and very friendly staff. Here I made the tactical error of ordering sausages and mash and attempting to finish it. This was silly because (a) I can never finish pub portions of sausage and mash; (b) I had a fair bit more walking to do; and (c) the pub has a very sensible policy of offering smaller portions of selected dishes, which I could easily have taken advantage of.

So the next part of the walk was rather slow, as I was digesting. It also wasn't very interesting — just streets of houses, basically, though I did divert in order to get a photo of Gordon Hill Station. By the time I got to the Wonder I was quite ready for another rest. Unfortunately I didn't feel very welcome there. I'd known in advance that it was going to be a bit of an old man's pub, which I'm quite fine with, and it may have been partly my own fault for asking to take a photo of the beer pumps, but I really did feel as though the landlady and the other customers were quite perplexed by my presence, and I had rather a feeling that I wasn't supposed to be there. So I didn't stay long, and I couldn't quite face the possibility of having the same experience in one of the other pubs I'd been planning to try out, so I cut the walk short and came home via Enfield Town Station.

There is a photoset on Flickr and a slightly noisy GPS trace on Google Maps (second half of the route only, alas, due to the app getting confused). I also sent a few SMSes to the KakeWalk Twitter account.

Next one should have been from Ponders End Station round the reservoir and home via Chingford Station, but I think instead it will be Enfield Town to Ponders End via some pubs. I didn't get a photo of Enfield Town yesterday, since it had roadworks in front. Hopefully that'll be over by time I get around to the next walk.
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[User Picture]From: arkady
2007-10-10 12:57 am (UTC)

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There's a public right of way through that field, so the people who directed you that way were correct. (I used to live in Winchmore Hill and went up to Trent Park quite often and have taken that route myself.)
[User Picture]From: nou
2007-10-10 01:13 am (UTC)

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Ah-ha, thanks. Does the path shown on the streetmap link look about right? I came out on Enfield Road quite a way to the west of that, so I suspect what might have happened is that I was on the right of way to start with, but failed to veer off to the east when I should have.
[User Picture]From: owlfish
2007-10-10 08:17 am (UTC)

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Even if there's a public right of way, gates may still be locked on the path. We discovered this to our chagrin when following a pulished walking route in the countryside one day. The path was blocked off with fencing and barbed wire - clearly a local landowner trying to keep out "trespassers".
[User Picture]From: nou
2007-10-10 03:39 pm (UTC)

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I bet there is a pressure group or something to report this kind of thing to. Though as I say above in reply to Arkady, I suspect I left the right of way before I got to the locked gate.
[User Picture]From: caramel_betty
2007-10-10 09:03 am (UTC)

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ZOMG. You walked right by where I live and work, and didn't demand lunch/tea/something.

I should probably point out in advance that the walk down the Southbury Road, from Enfield Town station to the A10, is fairly uneventful. Then you get a cinema and a couple of "out of town" shopping type parks.
[User Picture]From: caramel_betty
2007-10-10 09:17 am (UTC)

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So I didn't stay long, and I couldn't quite face the possibility of having the same experience in one of the other pubs I'd been planning to try out, so I cut the walk short and came home via Enfield Town Station.

Oh yes, pubs at this end of Enfield.

http://www.camranorthlondon.org.uk/enfieldandbarnet/enbpg/en2.html

Cricketers, I quite like. It's not cheap, but it's generally friendly enough but they'll leave you alone if you want. Also a beer garden, if you want that. It's between the road and the river, when looking for it. McMullen beers, okay but not my thing.

The Crown and Horseshoes used to be where you went if you wanted somewhere cheaper than the Cricketers. Used to be cheap and cheerful. Now a bit more expensive, but still cheaper than the Cricketers. Fairly poor range of beer. Pool tables, and a MAHOOSIVE outdoor garden at the back which can and does get filled during the summer months. A bit slow for food at lunchtimes if you turn up with 12 of you from work. Ahem.

Moon Under Water - it's a Wetherspoons. Last time I was in there ages ago with Hagi and Feantur, it was a bit dark - low lights, black/brown furniture and fittings, a bit murky. It seems to have got a bit less dark having walked by it numerous times recently.

Old Wheatsheaf on Windmill Hill (there's another Wheatsheaf the other end of town) - bits of work really like it (they're over the road from it). It has two bars, dependnig on which way you go in. Adnams and Broadside aren't really my thing.

The Stag. Used to be a great pub, just over the road from work. Changed hands and tried to turn itself into a gastro-pub. Food is now really quite expensive and not that great, but does have a few non-"pub grub" options, last time I looked. Appears to be incapable of keeping bitter reliably, though the lager drinkers don't complain.

Goose at the George and the Kings Arms, avoid. During the day, Goose is okay and has cheap beer+burger type food - at least, it did when I went there ages ago with sillytrippy before going to the cinema - but both have reputations at night. Kings Arms has snooker tables upstairs.
[User Picture]From: nou
2007-10-10 03:41 pm (UTC)

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I really should pester you to add some of this info to RGL!

Would lunch/tea/something be plausible on this part of the walk, or am I now too far east for it to be sensible in a lunch hour? There is, I suppose, the alternative possibility of an after-work drink, but then I'm even further east.
[User Picture]From: caramel_betty
2007-10-10 04:09 pm (UTC)

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My lunch "hour" is very flexible, and Enfield Town is only five minutes from here on foot, so anything is possible. Even a bit further east, buses are plentiful.
[User Picture]From: nou
2007-10-11 12:33 am (UTC)

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Yay! OK, I will make sure to let you know when I'm going to do the next walk. There may however be very little notice (sometimes I'm not totally sure I'll be up to something until pretty much just before I set out), so I'll understand if you can't manage it.
[User Picture]From: nou
2007-10-10 03:42 pm (UTC)

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Oh, and have you been to the Wonder, and if so, what did you think? Am I just being paranoid about it?
[User Picture]From: caramel_betty
2007-10-10 04:08 pm (UTC)

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Haven't been there. The various reviews have put me off.
[User Picture]From: nou
2007-10-31 01:47 pm (UTC)

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Any opinions on the Southbury Hotel, the Goat, and the Picture Palace?

If all goes well I'll be heading up there on Friday, though if I sleep badly or the weather is overly icky I might cancel.
[User Picture]From: caramel_betty
2007-10-31 07:47 pm (UTC)

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Double ack.

a) I know nothing.
b) I'm Notte Here on Friday.
[User Picture]From: nou
2007-10-31 09:07 pm (UTC)

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Damn it, oh well. I'll just have to come up again some other time and pressgang you into joining me for a mini crawl so we can add some more pubs to RGL.
[User Picture]From: hairyears
2007-10-10 10:31 am (UTC)

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You were all of a hundred yards from my house!
[User Picture]From: nou
2007-10-10 03:45 pm (UTC)

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I expect you weren't in it at the time though :)
[User Picture]From: dogrando
2007-10-10 10:36 am (UTC)

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Meh, trespass ain't a big deal. (Forgive me if you know all this already.) For a start, signs saying "trespassers will be prosecuted" are generally nonsense: trespass is not a criminal offence and you can't be prosecuted for it.[1] The landowner can take you to a civil court, but they can only get damages and costs — and if you haven't done any damage then that would only be nominal and there's really no point. And they can't do anything unless they've asked you to leave and you've failed to do so (by the most direct route). Even the police can normally do nothing[2] and landowners would have to seek an injunction to get rid of you (though obviously they would be able so sue you for damages and costs there).

Er, IANAL, obviously.

[1] Aggravated trespass, where you attempt to disrupt a legal activity whilst trespassing, is a criminal offence (a newish one, aimed at protesters). Failing to leave when asked by the police is a criminal offence — but they can only do that under specific circumstances. Trespassing on some specific places, such as railways, is a criminal offence. Criminal damage is a criminal offence.

[2] The police can ask trespassers to leave if there are two or more of them, and they're staying rather than passing through, and either they're causing damage or they have more than six vehicles with them.
[User Picture]From: nou
2007-10-10 03:43 pm (UTC)

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Oh, yes, I wasn't worried that anything awful was going to happen to me. It just feels rude, and a bit embarrassing.
[User Picture]From: nou
2007-10-10 03:47 pm (UTC)

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Oh, slightly relatedly, have you seen the UK photographers' rights leaflet?
[User Picture]From: dogrando
2007-10-10 04:11 pm (UTC)

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I hadn't — looks worth a read, thanks.
[User Picture]From: dogrando
2007-10-10 04:13 pm (UTC)

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Incidentally, I'm sure there's lots of trespasslike things which are criminal which I've missed — like the CJB '94 sections on gatherings playing music at night, which I really shouldn't have forgotten about...
From: (Anonymous)
2010-10-04 11:12 pm (UTC)

VICARAGE FARM ENFIELD

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There is a new LBE footpath planned from the Jolly Farmers to Hadley Road across Vicarge farm----but at the moment the tenant has blocked all the traditional access points and denies entry to anyone. I think LBE may have cooled off the footpath idea as the new tenant is very aggressive in her defence of "her" land. Regards Kit Jones
[User Picture]From: nou
2010-10-05 10:18 am (UTC)

Re: VICARAGE FARM ENFIELD

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Oh dear, that's a shame — but thanks for the update.