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Support Croydon! pub crawl, Saturday 10 September [Aug. 22nd, 2011|04:31 pm]
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Support Croydon! therealdrhyde and I have planned a pub crawl to support certain of the local businesses that were damaged and/or lost trading hours during the riots. This is happening on Saturday 10 September! Here's the list of pubs we'll be visiting, in order, starting at the Ship of Fools at 2pm:

Ship of Fools, 9-11 London Road, CR0 2RE
accessibility: step-free access to bar, most of the seating, and RADAR-locked accessible toilet; reasonable gaps between tables; no music
Old Fox and Hounds, 1 London Road, CR0 2RE
accessibility: step-free access to bar, most of the seating, and the ladies' toilet; not sure about gents'; music but not loud; some narrow places to get through
Tamworth Arms, 62 Tamworth Road, CR0 1XW
accessibility: 3 or 4 steps to get in; step-free to bar, seating area, and toilets once you're in; access to toilets is narrow though; more steps to beer garden; potential radio and/or quiet(ish) music
Green Dragon, 60 High Street, CR0 1NA
accessibility: step-free access to all areas of pub including accessible toilet; potential loud(ish) music
Royal Standard, 1 Sheldon Street, CR0 1SS
accessibility: low step (about an inch) at side entrance, larger step at front; step-free to bar, toilets, and about half of the seating once you're in; no music

Three of these were definitely affected by the riots — access to the Ship of Fools was blocked off by the council for a good few days while they were clearing up, the Old Fox and Hounds had boards up for a bit though I think they were still trading for most of it, and the Green Dragon had at least one window broken. We're finishing at the Royal Standard mainly because it's an excellent pub.

(Edit: Removed Arkwrights Wheel as it's about to turn into a shisha bar; replaced it with the Green Dragon.)

This is a public post — please feel free to link to it, and to invite people along.

If you're on my friends list, you can get my mobile number here (please don't pass this on without asking me first).

(Edit: Have updated with details of step-free access for all pubs. See RGL links for wordier versions.)

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[User Picture]From: techiebabe
2011-08-22 04:18 pm (UTC)

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I can probably make do if we are moving on often enough, but do you know about the access to any of them? (Assuming the JDW is good as they almost always are).

We have an event the next day although not until afternoon so we could risk a hangover. I'll see if Mike's up for it.
[User Picture]From: nou
2011-08-22 04:29 pm (UTC)

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I hope to have access info very soon! Thanks for the reminder.
[User Picture]From: techiebloke
2011-08-22 04:32 pm (UTC)

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I think I'm probably up for it :)
[User Picture]From: nou
2011-08-22 07:51 pm (UTC)

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Hurrah!
[User Picture]From: nou
2011-09-07 06:54 pm (UTC)

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I'm really sorry it's taken me so long to check the access, but I now have everything personally verified except the Royal Standard, which I hope to manage tomorrow. Have updated the post with what I have.
[User Picture]From: techiebabe
2011-09-07 09:13 pm (UTC)

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To be honest I am having second thoughts about this; I have slept incredibly badly over the last week (waking every half hour with pain, getting maybe 90 minutes once a night, so I am very short on deep sleep and very tired) - which makes a difference when you have to take a bus, two DLRs and another bus to get there; and then to prop self up and make sensible conversation which may be a step too far! Also, I have a horrible feeling that I have something on from 3-4pm so I'd be late along anyway.... it may be easier not to come.

I'd like to see how I'm feeling on Sat - is that ok?
[User Picture]From: nou
2011-09-07 09:30 pm (UTC)

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Oh bother, are there Tube closures? I wouldn't have thought it would be that complicated for you to get here. I'll check TfL tomorrow and update the post.

It's fine for you to decide on the day! Just give me a txt if you want to check where we've got to.
[User Picture]From: techiebabe
2011-09-07 10:31 pm (UTC)

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Not tube closures, just that TfL journey planner thinks that the only way for me to get there from here (my nearest accessible station is Stratford) is to get to Lewisham. That's a bus (to Strat), 2 x DLR, then a bus from Lewisham to Croydon.

If you have a better (wheelchair accessible) route I'd be very happy to hear it!
[User Picture]From: nou
2011-09-07 10:43 pm (UTC)

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How about Jubilee Line from Stratford to Canada Water, then East London Line to West Croydon? I haven't been to Stratford for a while, but I thought the Jubilee Line was accessible from there, and I'm fairly sure (though it would be best to check) that there are lifts between the Jubilee and East London lines at Canada Water. West Croydon does have step-free exits, and it's the closest station to the first three pubs.
[User Picture]From: techiebabe
2011-09-08 01:18 pm (UTC)

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That sounded sensible. Not being a tube line, ELL isn't on the step free guide, so I looked at a normal tube map and it appeared to show wheelchair access at Canada Water for both Jubilee Line and ELL (though curiously they were separate and not showing as an interchange). But that's just the wheelchair symbol and it could mean anything.

So I went to Journey Planner and keyed in that I wanted to go from Canada Water to West Croydon and it told me to get 3 tubes and a bus; something tells me I can't get on the ELL at Canada Water perhaps?

How confusing and annoying!
[User Picture]From: nou
2011-09-09 10:01 am (UTC)

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OK, I think I know what it is! I checked the train-to-platform distance on the southbound ELL at West Croydon yesterday, and it's too big to do in a wheelchair, so that's probably why — there's step-free access from the platform to the street but not the train to the platform. Though perhaps you could manage it with Mike's help?

Sarah is checking out the lift situation at Canada Water today.
[User Picture]From: techiebabe
2011-09-09 01:37 pm (UTC)

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Thanks to Sarah - I'll feel guilty if we don't make it now!

By train-to-platform you mean the gap between the train and the platform? TfL journey planner happily gives out routes with a 10" gap between train and platform, which is annoying when I've ticked "I use wheelchair accessible vehicles" - I have to get out, lift chair on, step in, sit down. Gah. So I'd be surprised if it was that, but maybe there is some magic reason. I could probably manage on my own unless it's like getting onto a mainline train (2 steps), in which case I'd need a ramp.

Even if we don't make it tomorrow the info would be very useful for visiting you in future, especially weekday things where I'd have to get there on my own and meet Mike there.

But I'll still try to get there, depends how early I finish doing Other Thing - we were thwarted last week trying to get into Sensational Butterflies at NHM so we have parking pre-booked for tomorrow afternoon instead. There was no other time we could do it. I'll come along afterwards if I have spoons left and it's not too late; I'll text you in either event.

See you soon, hopefully tomorrow!
[User Picture]From: nou
2011-09-09 05:51 pm (UTC)

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Yep, gap between train and platform. I think it's a bit less than 10", and it is only the one step, not two.

Even if you don't make it tomorrow, as you say, this is still useful information! Though I do hope you can come.
[User Picture]From: techiebabe
2011-09-09 06:40 pm (UTC)

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I hope so too, but let's see how many spoons I've got when I get home. Mike says if we join you it would be around 6 or so. How long are you likely to be going for?
[User Picture]From: nou
2011-09-09 08:20 pm (UTC)

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I expect we'll be at the Green Dragon by 6 and the Royal Standard by 8 at the latest. I don't want to stay out stupidly late as I have people coming for lunch the next day, but it's only 10 minutes' walk home for me so I was thinking of wrapping things up around 11.
[User Picture]From: techiebabe
2011-09-09 09:01 pm (UTC)

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Don't worry, we wouldn't be late either. We have a community sports day on Sunday (which I'm organising) and it's an hour+ home for us!
[User Picture]From: techiebabe
2011-09-10 01:12 pm (UTC)

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Really sorry, but it's a no from us - I'm knackered and just about to go out, I'll want to rest this evening. Plus a neighbour wants to come over later to drop off some things for tomorrow :|

Hope it goes well, and we will come over to Croydon soon I'm sure.
[User Picture]From: huskyteer
2011-08-22 04:35 pm (UTC)

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I'm away that weekend, but what a fab idea - well done!
[User Picture]From: nou
2011-08-22 07:53 pm (UTC)

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Thanks! I'm not kidding myself that a few extra pints sold on a Saturday will really make a measurable difference, but perhaps there will be a knock-on effect as people see how ace Croydon is and how easy it is to get here. I also plan to organise some London Road restaurant trips in the near future.
[User Picture]From: katstevens
2011-08-22 04:48 pm (UTC)

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What an excellent excuse for me to visit Croydon! :) Will try and join you at the Arkwrights or the Tamworth.
[User Picture]From: nou
2011-08-22 07:54 pm (UTC)

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Yay!
[User Picture]From: pndc
2011-08-22 05:22 pm (UTC)

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I may be double-booked for that weekend as there's a tentative event in my calendar already, but it does strike me as a good excuse to break my Croydon virginity. Do I need a passport to get in, and what currency do they use?
[User Picture]From: nou
2011-08-22 07:54 pm (UTC)

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Well, you can pop into the Border Agency on the way if you're not sure your papers are in order :)
[User Picture]From: qian
2011-08-22 08:35 pm (UTC)

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This is a nice idea! Though I won't come because I'm pitiably bad at drinking alcohol, and not drinking alcohol makes going to pubs less fun.
[User Picture]From: nou
2011-08-22 08:58 pm (UTC)

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Especially on a Saturday, yes :(

The next Croydon adventure will probably be a trip to an Indian vegetarian restaurant, though!
[User Picture]From: rjw1
2011-08-23 05:51 am (UTC)

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ill be asleep in gore by then ;)
having watched england win in dunedin earlier
[User Picture]From: nou
2011-08-23 12:46 pm (UTC)

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Slacker.
[User Picture]From: hoshuteki
2011-08-23 08:08 am (UTC)

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Hurrah! Croydon pubcrawl!
[User Picture]From: nou
2011-08-23 12:47 pm (UTC)

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Yes, hurrah for lovely Croydon!
[User Picture]From: kerrypolka
2011-08-23 10:26 am (UTC)

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I'm giving the sermon at synagogue that morning but will aim to be there as soon as possible after that!
[User Picture]From: nou
2011-08-23 12:47 pm (UTC)

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Excellent!
[User Picture]From: evil_mel
2011-08-23 11:52 am (UTC)

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Completely unrelated comment:

One of my colleagues sent me a link to the site elitistreview that had mentions of various places in Woolwich where we work. I was surprised to see your name mentioned on it! Random comment I know...
[User Picture]From: nou
2011-08-23 12:48 pm (UTC)

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Oh, yes, they've used at least one of my photos.

I need to do a Woolwich adventure at some point! Feel like organising a "support Woolwich!" pub crawl?
[User Picture]From: evil_mel
2011-08-23 01:11 pm (UTC)

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Tbh I never go to the pubs in Woolwich, and one of the two I did occasionally go to got burnt down.

I'd be more up for a Romford pub crawl, but I think that would need to be organised by someone with more friends than me!
[User Picture]From: mcgillianaire
2011-08-24 04:59 pm (UTC)

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Lovely idea! I've already got plans for the morning but I'll try and make it. Will even try to convince my friends to join along as well but Croydon is far away. I've never been there before either but the lure of booze for a good cause is always enticing.
[User Picture]From: nou
2011-08-25 09:46 am (UTC)

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Hurrah!
[User Picture]From: squirmelia
2011-09-08 05:36 pm (UTC)

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I'm hoping to come, but have been on antibiotics for the past 2 weeks and was told not to drink alcohol while taking them. They end tomorrow, which coincides with a work day out, which may involve alcohol, so I will see how I fare on that, and if all goes well, I will come to Croydon, and if not, I won't. So, basically, I'm a "maybe".
[User Picture]From: nou
2011-09-09 10:05 am (UTC)

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That's fine! Will be good to see you if you can make it.
[User Picture]From: fluffymark
2011-09-09 02:29 pm (UTC)

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I should be coming to this too, I hope! Unless I get lost on the way to Croydon.
[User Picture]From: nou
2011-09-09 05:52 pm (UTC)

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Hurrah! If you do get lost, I hope it's somewhere scenic :)